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  • #31
    maruta

    Threadul acesta este deschis pentru sedanul ce se va vinde in Europa. Eu la Europa ma refeream cand am zis de un motor de 2.0 pentru ca la 1.8 au mai pus doar 2 cai "amarati" .

    Am inteles foarte bine ca topicul face referire la modelul ce va urma sa se lanseze in Europa (de Est), iar pentru ca unora sau altora li s-ar parea destul de irealist ca HONDA sa puna acele motorizari pe modelul de fata, am tinut sa arat ca asa ceva e posibil si chiar exista, doar ca pe alte piete.
    Subiectul asta cu motorizarile posibile si optime il dezbatem de cand exista forumul si mereu va fi un subiect interesant dar mult mai aproape de realitatea HONDA mi se pare parerea lui IB.
    Cu totii suntem tentati sa credem ca daca o masina ar fi disponibila cu X motorizari in loc de una sau doua, automat s-ar vinde muuuult mai bine. Daca e sau nu asa, e greu de spus dar iti reamintesc ca pana la Civic Mk 7, familia Civic, mai bine de 20 de ani, a dispus de numeroare motorizari si pentru asta nici n-a speriat vestul si nici n-a spart vreun top al vanzarilor. Lucru valabil si la Accord.
    Tu crezi ca HONDA nu si-a invatat lectia din lucrul asta?
    Am ridicat de multe ori mingea la fileu cu urmatoarea intrebare si o mai fac odata, tocmai pentru ca niciodata n-am primit un raspuns potrivit, sperand insa ca poate de data asta il voi primi:
    de ce in America de Nord modele Odyssey si CR-V sunt lidere de piata de ani de zile la categoriile lor avand o singura motorizare?
    Deci se poate!
    Sigur ca daca ar mai avea inca X motorizari s-ar vinde si mai bine dar sa nu uitam ca nici HONDA n-are capacitati la infinit.




    Si mai degraba ar intra in concurenta cu Civicul hatcback decat cu Accordul.

    Ma rog, eu am vrut sa iau in considerare o caroserie asemanatoare ca o versiune din aceiasi familie de model e destul de logica. La ce ma refer? Ma refer la faptul ca un Civic Sedan la vreo 180CP sigur ar concura ca si pret cu un Accord 2.0 iar atunci potentialul client care cauta un sedan, sigur si-ar pune intrebarea "pai ce sa iau la 2X.000€, Civicul sau Accordul?" La asta ma refeream. E discutabil subiectul dar are si un dram de realitate.


    Eu mi-as fi dorit sa scoata mai mult de la 1.8 i-VTEC. Ceva pe la 170-180 CP era suficient,

    Daca Civicul Sedan se arunca pe piata cu 180CP inseamna ca Accordul n-are voie sa inceapa sub 200CP. Sa revenim totusi la realitate si sa ne amintim ca vorbim de o masina disponibila doar pe pietele est-europene care inca mai au cel putin imaginea (dar cred ca si realitatea) care o
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    • #32
      Sa fie clar: in ceea ce ma priveste, eu si acum ma felicit ma am ales Civicul sedan. Problema cu motorizarea nu este ca nu ma satisface cea de acum, ci doar faptul ca nu am avut si se pare ca nu voi avea de ales in cazul sedanului (exclud din start hybridul din cauza pretului). Cateodata simt nevoia sa am mai multi cai sub capota si atat. Dar asta se intampla doar cand fac drumuri in afara Bucurestiului. Pentru Bucuresti, un Jazz CVT mi-ar fi suficient.
      Nu ma interesau neaparat vanzarile Honda care, spre disperarea unor nepoti nerecunoscuti de-ai lui Giugiaro care scriu pe aici pe forum, vor creste odata cu nou lansatul Civic hatchback. Dealerii care vand Honda de ani de zile si presa de specialitate spun ca este un pas inainte. Sper sa fie asa si in cazul sedanului.
      LE: iar Odyssey si CR-V se vand bine in America pentru ca Honda a gasit formula ideala pentru piata respectiva.
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      Last edited by maruta; 29-02-12, 21:20.
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      • #33
        Si eu am luat in considerare noul sedan la schimbrea masini mele.
        Nu cred ca la noi o sa vedem sedanul cu motorul de 2.0 si cu atat mai putin cel de 2L care se vinde in canada cu doua axe cu came.Motorul de 1,8 il am si eu pe masina si stiu ce poate ma indoiesc ca 2CP fac vreo mare diferenta.
        Maruta: iti dau dreptate in oras e ok motorul dar la drum lung parca i-ar mai trebui ceva caluti si un pic de cuplu.
        Ce mi-a placut si imi place mult la motorul de 1,8 este elasticitatea acestui motor.
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        • #34
          Si iataca la vecinii unguri e deja pus la vanzare...

          http://auto.honda.hu/modellek/Civic_...egance_4_ajtos
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          • #35
            super oferta cu motor de 1.6 benzina, ~ 15.000 euro, banuiesc ca pretul pe site e fara TVA.
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            • #36
              Deci sedanul asta e facut pe platforma celui din State, si nu are nicio legatura cu versiunea europeana?
              Ok, asteptam sa-l aduca si la noi, sunt curios cum e. Asa, pe poze, pare la fel ca 5D-ul nou: fata ok, spatele si interiorul cah!
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              • #37
                Preturile sunt din cate stiu eu cu TVA (27%) inclus iar un Civic 1.8 Elegance e 15000 Eur fara TVA.

                Si da, nu va mai fi diferenta asa de mare intre modelele EUDM si USDM. Presupun ca la fel e si cu JDM.
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                • #38
                  http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/auto...civic-launched

                  New Honda Civic launched

                  That's because it is the US Civic, except for some really small details like the additional reflectors on the boot cover. Apparently, Honda wasn't in a position to design a bespoke version of the ninth generation Civic for Asian markets _ unlike in the previous model that saw rounder head and tail pipes in favour of the more rigid theme of the American variant.

                  The interior has been redesigned, although it sticks to the same philosophy of the eight-gen Civic: a two-tier fascia that has proven merits in ergonomic terms. The cabin itself has the same flat-floor design to make it one of the roomiest cars _ thanks to a 2.7m wheelbase length _ in the Thai C-segment class, dominated by the Toyota Corolla.

                  So the Civic is mechanically the same as before...

                  Dash has same two-tier design.

                  In essence, yes, meaning that the Civic won't rouse buyers who are after the latest in technology. For example, the 1.8-litre petrol engine has been carried over with only microscopic changes in outputs: 141hp of power (up by just 1hp) and 177Nm of torque (up by 4Nm). The five-speed manual and automatic transmission options remain the same.

                  But there's a slight change in the range-topping 2.0-litre motor. Gone is that proven twin-cam unit in favour of a single-cam variation (like in the 1.8). Power stays at 155hp but is achieved at 6,500rpm _ 500rpm higher than before _ and torque climbs from 188Nm to 190Nm.

                  The Civic now joins the Mazda 3 as the only C-segment players to have dated five-speeders in their 2.0-litre cars; others are either toying with six-speed automatics, fast-shifting dual-clutchers or smooth-running CVT autos.

                  Oh, there's one new thing about these engines: they can sip on the ultra-scarce E85 gasohol. However, we reckon that Honda Automobiles Thailand was enticed to such a fuel due to the special 22% excise tax for E85-capable cars (25% for E20 and 30% for E10 to E0).

                  So the Civic is cheaper than before...

                  Not necessarily, mate. All-new cars with more features _ like Eco Assist to help improve economy and multi-information display that can be personalised by the driver _ mean higher costs, so lower tax could help absorb some increases.

                  The main-selling Civics are dearer than before: 1.8 S with manual gearbox costs 773,000 baht (19,000 more) and 1.8 S with automatic is priced at 828,000 baht (34,000 more). The plusher E version asks for 909,000 baht and 964,000 baht with navigation system (both 5,000 less).

                  Only one trim is available for the 2.0 priced at 1.124 million baht (18,000 more) which comes with front and side airbags, stability control system and sat-nav.

                  The Civic was officially launched in Thailand yesterday.

                  Hmm, it better be good on the move...

                  Let's hope so, because its competition have caught up. The previous Civic was known for its zippy performance, darty steering, fine driving environment and spacious interior. Downsides were mediocre economy and tyre noise.

                  Don't forget to pick up Life on May 21 for our test drive report on the new Civic in both 1.8 and 2.0 forms.


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                  • #39
                    http://paultan.org/2012/05/21/new-ho...-and-2-0-sohc/

                    New Honda Civic launched in Thailand – 1.8 and 2.0 SOHC



                    The new Honda Civic was launched earlier this month in Thailand, giving us a good preview of what’s coming. Unlike the previous gen, where our Civic looked significantly different, the new Thai Civic is largely identical to the US-market car. Extra garnish comes in the form of rear reflectors that link the rear lamps to the license plate.

                    The cabin has been redesigned, although it retains Honda’s two-tier dashboard that was such a revolution when it debut in the FD Civic. The upper tier is now much longer, incorporating a colour screen that displays various menus.

                    In Thailand, one can specify the Civic with a Navi package, and the 2.0L model comes with push start keyless entry, a new feature for the Civic. There’s also an ECON button on the right of the steering.

                    Like before, two engines are offered – 1.8L and 2.0L i-VTEC units. The smaller engine puts out 141 PS and 174 Nm of torque at 4,300 rpm. That’s 1 PS more than our current Civic, made 200 rpm higher, so it’s probably just fine tuning.

                    The 2.0L is no longer the K-series engine, but a SOHC sibling of the 1.8. Chosen for better fuel economy no doubt, it produces 155 PS and 190 Nm at 4,300 rpm.

                    Max power is the same, but there’s 2 Nm more torque, made 200 rpm lower. Both engines continue with Honda’s slick five-speed auto, with paddles on the 2.0. The 1.8 can be had with a five-speed manual as well.

                    The rest of the spec sheet show some differences. For instance, Honda has traded the FD’s double-wishbone rear suspension for a multi-link unit. EPS steering is now standard across the range, turning circle is better (5.42 vs 5.8m) but steering is slower at 3.1 vs 2.65 turns lock-to-lock.

                    The new Civic has a smaller footprint and shorter wheelbase; the latter is down by 30 mm to make 2,670 mm. The current Civic has superb rear legroom, and we’ll have to see if there’s any real difference in space when the time comes. We’re sure that Honda would have done some repackaging magic, something it’s very good at. The Civic’s flat floor remains.

                    In Thailand, the Civic range starts from 773,000 baht for the 1.8 S Manual, topping out at 1.124 million baht for the 2.0 EL with Navi, the only trim for the bigger engine.
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                    • #40
                      Ei vorbesc de 2.0 si cutie manuala cu 5 trepte, nu cred ca o sa pupam noi configuratii din astea. N-a aflat nimeni cand ajunge si la noi?
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                      • #41
                        Asa a fost civicul sedan asiatic si la generatia a 8-a.
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                        • #42
                          Undeva mai sus mi-a fost atrasa atentia ca pe acest topic este dedicat numai versiunii europene iar eu as zice ca versiunea de 2.0 nu va aparea la noi.
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                          • #43
                            avand in vedere ca in Ungaria se comericializeaza de ceva vreme cu motoarele 1.6 si 1.8 ceva imi spune ca la noi va veni ca si generatia precedenta doar cu motorul 1.8.
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                            • #44
                              99% asa va fi, poate doar printr-o minune sa aduca si 1.6 (in maxima speranta ca vor creste vanzarile). Totusi, nu stie nimeni cand e programat sa ajunga in RO?
                              '09 Audi A6, 2.0, A/T, Grey
                              Fosta:
                              '08 Honda Civic Sedan 1.8 M/T, Taffeta White
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                              • #45
                                Eu am citit pe undeva ca pe la sfarsitul lui mai inceputul lui iunie.
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