Noul Civic Sedan 2012 [update] facelift 2014

[ramm omu cu warnu' Find all posts View Profile Close ramm]

Hibridul nou are 23 CP din motorul electric, iar tehnologia Li-Ion este superioara NiMh.

[Den1GRator Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Den1GRator]

@ Nomercu..si Loganul isi are rolul lui....dar sincer...nu iti iei o masina doar pentru motor sau mai stiu eu ce alte motive.Conteaza mult si calitatea interioarelor incepand de la plastice pana la imbinari fara sa se auda diferiti "greieri" din prima suta de km.

Eu la skoda sincer sa fiu nu am auzit de probleme asa grave...catalizatorul nu se infunda decat daca mergi ca cizma..si sunt multi care nu stiu sa conduca.Am 2 skoda in familie toate cu peste 100k si nu am avut probleme la nici una.
La Honda din pacate la 2 ani si 40k trebuie sa schimb ambreiaj/volanta si caseta directie...degeaba are motor bun daca nu e in stare sa invarta rotile cum trebuie si vice-versa.Orice masina are scopul ei.Honda nu este o masina pe care o poti exploata cum poti face cu skoda de exemplu.
Din pacate calitatea a scazut mult la modelele noi....inclusiv la civic...care nu isi mai face banii dupa standardele mele.

Aici si eu pot sa zic ca nici Honda nu are problemele pe care le semnalezi tu decat daca nu stii sa mergi cu ea (nu zic "sa mergi ca cizma" pentru ca mi se pare prea contondent) - eu am aproape 50000 de km si nu am schimbat nici volanta nici ambreiaj nici caseta de directie, si masina a fost si pe circuit si la numeroase urcari de VTM in forta .

[roland_fzj Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close roland_fzj]

@den1Grator: tu ai 200nm noi aveam stoc 340, tu ai volanta simpla noi cu masa dubla, cuplu la noi vine la ture mici si relativ brutal pe cand la benzinare nu prea il simti, caseta nu prea are de suferit pe un circuit ci prin gropile din rom... urcate in masina pornete motorul si i-a stanga dreapate scurt si repede de volan si zi-mi daca auzi ceva :P

[Den1GRator Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Den1GRator]

@den1Grator: tu ai 200nm noi aveam stoc 340, tu ai volanta simpla noi cu masa dubla, cuplu la noi vine la ture mici si relativ brutal pe cand la benzinare nu prea il simti, caseta nu prea are de suferit pe un circuit ci prin gropile din rom... urcate in masina pornete motorul si i-a stanga dreapate scurt si repede de volan si zi-mi daca auzi ceva :P

Da man, si eu circul prin aer, nu tot prin romania prin aceleasi gropi, de-aia caseta mea nu are nimic (poti misca cat vrei si nu sea ude nimic)....aveti 340NM dar aveti 140 cp, eu am vreo 240, aveti alt ambreiaj, imi pare rau dar scuzele astea pe mine ma lasa rece.

Ca sa nu fim offtopic complet, de Sedan zic si eu: la exterior parca e o idee mai frumoasa decat modelul anterior dar la interior au dat cu mucii in fasole, motorul nu mai are surprize pentru nici un fan Honda dar in schimb dotarile (destul de multe si de importante) ar putea sa fie un factor care sa incline balanta in decizia de a cumpara masina.

[hondatu Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close hondatu]

[QUOTE=Delphi;447496]Mie mi-a placut, dovada ca sunt la al treilea sedan, si asta conteaza (din punctul meu de vedere).

Te cred dar poate ce designul n-a fost singurul lucru care te-a indemnat sa faci acele achizitii, daca ne gandim si la alti factori precum utilitatea, cheltuielile de intretinere, bugetul, s.a.m.d.


Mi se pare ciudat ca singurul lucru pe care tu l-ai mentionat ca "un pas inainte", este o chestiune de design.

Nu stiu ce e ciudat in lucrul asta, dar chiar n.am voie sa ma refer strict la latura asta? Nu l-am condus ci doar "am fost condus" si daca mi-as spune impresiile tot nu ar fi deajuns pentru o asa-zisa parere obiectiva. Promit insa ca in urmatorul concediu sa-l conduc si sa-ti dau marturie.
Ciudat e altceva insa si anume faptul ca o parere diferita de a unora de pe aici e combatuta la maxim. Ce ma doare pe mine capu´ de ce-a zis Ito, daca mie imi place masina asta mai mult decat generatia trecuta? Iar in acel "insucces" nu sta numai referirea la design ci tot ce tine de acea masina.

PS2: ai mers cu civicul FD vreodata?

Dupa cum bine stii, in vestul Europei nu se importa acest model (oare de ce?), iar singurul drive-test pe care l-am facut a fost cu versiunea hibrid. Stiu, vei fi dezamagit de raspunsul meu. Ca am fost doar pasager in masina lui Maruta, la fel.
Dar stai ca nu ma prind, eu am intrat in discutia asta strict pe subiectul design, iar acum trebuie sa-ti raspund la ceva tehnic?? Ciudat...

PS3: mie personal nu-mi plac masinile "americanizate".

In cazul de fata am ales intre lepra si gripa, ultima dintre ele, chiar daca nu e nici ea prea placuta tot e mai ok decat prima.
Ciudat ca nimeni nu argumenteaza cate ceva despre ce-i place la acel design anost si toti o ard cu "imi place mie" care din pacate ma lasa la fel de departe in ceata ca si pana acum.
Uite pe mine ma enerveaza foarte mult forma aia de arc de cert turtita la capete, la spate mai fiind si asa aiurea scobita fara nici un rost (posibil sa dea bine la aerodinamica, detaliu care insa nu ma intereseaza cand vreau sa divaghez pe teme de estetica si design). Pentru mine, un arc de cert trebuie lasat sa se termine nu sa fie turtit.

[Delphi Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Delphi]

Cred ca nu ai inteles ce te-am intrebat si incerci sa te justifici si sa ma duci cu vorba. Mai exact, am intrebat ce anume te-a facut pe tine sa consideri ca este un pas inainte. Am crezut ca a fost ceva care a scapat tuturor celorlalti care au testat masina si s-au simtit dezamagiti, tu fiind primul care a vazut-o ca pe un pas inainte. Probabil ca te-ai simtit obligat sa spui asta, pentru ca Honda nu poate face decat pasi inainte. Am inteles ca de fapt era vorba de o chestie de estetica si de design. Nu e problema, pot intelege asta, nu trebuie sa te justifici. Fiecare om are gusturile lui. Pe urma, am fost sigur ca nu ai mers cu civicul FD, pentru ca sa poti face o comparatie. ramm a facut niste observatii mult mai la obiect, de exemplu. In plus, el a mai mers in FD.

Oricum, eu nici nu am criticat, nici nu am laudat noul sedan, pentru ca nici nu am condus-o, nici nu m-am urcat in ea, si nici macar nu am vazut-o in realitate. Mi s-a parut doar ciudat ca tu ai calificat masina ca pe un pas inainte, pana la urma, numai pe baza de aspect exterior. Este greaseala mea, scuze. Acum, admitand ca "imbunatatirea" designului este un pas inainte (multi au gasit-o urata), trebuie sa recunosti ca este un pas foarte mic, pentru ca nici macar nu au facut o masina frumoasa - bine, o sa spui ca un civic sedan nu poate fi frumos - dar nu este nici macar una interesanta, dupa care sa intorci capul pe strada. Ma rog, un hondar o sa intoarca, macar de curiozitate.

LE: ma uit la sedanul meu, care e parcat chiar sub geam, si o gasesc extrem de frumoasa.

Ca sa comentez si eu ceva despre noul sedan, eu as vedea un mare pas inainte in marirea vizibilitatii soferului in zona stalpului din stanga (toti posesorii de sedan stiu cati pietoni care treceau pe zebra erau sa-i ia pe capota). Un mare pas inapoi ar putea fi pozitia inalta de condus. Eu deja gasesc ca si pozitia de condus la sedanul FD este prea inalta, dar o pozitie ca in Logan... Daca din noul sedan te dai jos cu dureri de spate, atunci mai bine lasa. Din asta pe care il am acum nu ma dau jos cu nici un fel de dureri nici dupa 10 ore de condus.

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LE: ma uit la sedanul meu, care e parcat chiar sub geam, si o gasesc extrem de frumoasa.

Extrem de frumoasa. Extrem de adevarat. N-as da-o pentru... aproape nimic altceva.

[vtin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close vtin]

Da, si a mea.

Delphi, n-am cuvinte... Scrii dumnezeieste si gandesti tot la fel. Intr-atata timp nu am reusit sa-ti gasesc limita, stereotipul in gandire si exprimare. Mereu altul, mereu altfel, intotdeauna senzational. Chiar nu-mi pasa ca e vorba de Civic Sedan sau de mama Hondei.

[Sayan Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Sayan]

Noul civic sedan la design seamana putin cu mercedes C clas 2009>>. In special stopurile spate! Imi place la nebunie! Amandoua modele au facut un pas inapoi la design-ul exterior ! Aceleasi grile de plastic din fata "grosolane", forme rotunde dar contururi bine definite, pe cand alte marci coreene , frantuzesti si italiene sau "ingramadit" la un design mult mai comercial. Pacat ca la reprezentantele honda le aduc "goale" de optiuni si accesorii din Japonia, ar trebui o mai buna oferta de preturi atractive la accesorii si optiuni !

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DRIVEN: 2012 Honda Civic FB (9th Gen) previewed in Thailand – not pretty, but handles brilliantly!

This preview of the 9th Generation Honda Civic very nearly did not happen. There were two possible endings – the car ending up in the river with its wheels rolling in the air, or the car ending inside the other FB Civic in front. Both of which would have had me flown home in a box or a very black bag. The Civic opened up a third possibility.

Let me set the scene. It was a long and straight road in Thailand that blurred into the horizon. The river, equally straight and long, was on the left of the two-lane, well-paved road. “You can go faster now,” said my Thai guide. I needed no encouragement.

I pushed the accelerator closer to the floor. The five-speed automatic kicked down a gear, smoothly I might add, and the 2.0 litre engine roared and picked up speed. At this point, I would have summoned all of the 153 hp and 190 Nm of torque available, and would have been well deep into the VTEC’s second stage. Speed was building up all too easy.

This engine has one cam less, making it an SOHC, to cut emissions and improve economy. In spite of this ‘handicap’, the new engine is still able to generate an equal amount of horses and torque – 160 km/h melted into 170 km/h and seconds later, I had reached the second century. The road continued to blur into the horizon.

Feedback from the steering told me the car was even footed and stable, as if it was a speed skater locked in her rhythm. Then, a bend in the road, a right-hander. Not a sharp one and it was a not long one either. I lifted my foot off the floor, slowly settling the car into a gentler speed. In retrospect, there was nothing gentle about going into a corner at 150 km/h.

Yet, I grabbed the corner by the collar. I had done the same with the corners that I had passed. Through it all, the Civic remained anchored to the tarmac, the car obediently pointing and going to where I wanted it to go. There were hints of understeer, but it quickly diminished. There were, too, telltale signs of yaw but even those were quickly brought under control. This car was surprisingly accomplished.

The Civic has Motion Adaptive EPS, which combines VSA with the electronic power steering. Essentially, the car will automatically apply brakes on the appropriate side and make the necessary adjustments to the steering wheel to keep its nose out of trouble. For example, in an oversteer, the car will brake on the outer wheels to point the nose into the corner; understeer and the car will brake on the inner wheels while suppressing torque.

In both cases, the steering will gently apply the appropriate counter-steer; you won’t notice it happening. It also works to help correct the car’s steering when the wheels on one side lose traction because the road is slippery on the other side. In a nutshell, the Motion Adaptive EPS will help keep the car honest.

It’s not just that; the chassis had plenty of involvement. First off, the car uses more high-tensile steel to keep the weight down. The beneficial side-effect increases the body’s static and dynamic rigidity by 10%.

Honda has also increased the suspension stroke and compliance bush capacity, and reduced damper sliding friction on the front MacPherson struts. In a time where torsion beam dominates the back, the Civic slips on multi-link rears. Honda has also meddled with the rear suspension to increase suspension stroke and rear bump rubber capacity, and reduced damper sliding friction.

SNAFU. I was halfway around the corner, foot already on the power when I saw a set of traffic lights, all coloured red. A line of cars was already forming up front.

Feet off the accelerator and on the middle pedal. Not hard, because that would have thrown the car off balance, but nevertheless urgent. The Civic slowed urgently, the wheels never locking up. The nose dipped, signifying that the weight balanced had transferred up front. In this particular right-hander, any car would have looked the other way and headed straight into the river.

The Civic, however, kept itself honest and obedient. No doubt there were billions of numbers being crunched to move into the direction I wanted it to at speeds that were quickly diminishing, but I stopped without drama.

Without a doubt, this Civic’s handling is leaps and bounds better than the Civics that had gone before; not counting the Type-R of course. So why does the Civic not look the part?

Honda has found itself in a peculiar position; it is of its own doing. You see, when it launched the 8th Generation Civic, its body shape was a galaxy away than the 7th Generation. It looked sportier, had a dashboard that was borrowed from science fiction and the interior oozed with quality. Even today, the 8th Generation is still considered to be one of the best-looking Civics.

Which leaves the 9th Generation Civic in a rut. To be completely honest, the new one is not photogenic. It does not invoke a desirable emotion, even when it wears the Modulo kit.

But it looks better in the metal; only just. I can see why – everything has been squared and angled off. Accidental? Honda wanted something more futuristic in style. It seems to be looking to embody the Civic’s unique mono-form framework with grace and style, and evoke energy in its streamlined silhouette. Improved aerodynamics is the goal. The front bumper, especially, is designed to guide air into the engine to increase the cooling effect. I am yet to warm up to the design though.

Impressions are better on the inside. The new Civic retains the two-tier dashboard that wraps around the driver, clearly delineating you from the passenger. I’m not too fond of the dark grey on beige colour scheme; should’ve stayed with FD’s colour palette.

In any case, you’ll have an RPM meter dominating the monocle and above it is a digital speedometer. The speedo has been slightly reworked to include the change of colour from green to blue. Yes, the new Civic gets an ECO button, which when pressed, will let you know how well you’re treating Mother Nature.

The speedo gets a new neighbor. At the centre of the dashboard now lives the i-MID, or intelligent Multi Information Display. The display is a five-inch colour LCD and it remains legible under the sun. It tells the fuel consumption, audio details and system menu that you can fiddle with via the buttons on the steering.

There will be three variants when the Civic arrives on our side of the fence – the 1.8L, 2.0L and the 2.0L Navi. The midrange 2.0L will get powered-seats for the driver, headlamp auto-off timer, smart entry, push-start button, cruise control and side SRS airbags. The top-of-the-range 2.0L Navi will get an extra touchscreen LCD, satellite navigation, reverse camera and the ability to pair with your phone. But since the car isn’t here yet, Honda is playing the specification cards close to its chest.

As for its total weight, Honda said that it has cut the fat off some parts. The EPS weighs 1.3 kg less, the thin-walled fuel tank is 0.7 kg lighter, the front sub-weight subtracts 1.7 kg and the silencer is reduced by 0.5 kg. Add that to the lightness of the high-tensile steel frame and you’ll have a vehicle that is 7% lighter than the one it replaces.

I ended my drive with the 1.8L. No two ways about it, this car was slower than the 2.0 litre variant. Don’t get me wrong; its power delivery was respectable. The 1.8 mill produces 130 hp at 6,500 rpm and 174 Nm at 4,300 rpm. And the engine is mated to the same five-speed automatic found in the other variants. Not that it mattered, because I found myself smacked dead centre in traffic.

When the road finally opened, the 1.8 litre Civic moved along nice and smooth. It retained all the handling characteristics of its older sibling, the exterior noises muted by sound absorption materials, and the seats had enough padding to be comfortable. It is clear that the 1.8 litre Honda Civic is good enough for everyday situations. If you can allow its shape to grow on you, this is a car that would be easy to live with. As for me, I’d go for the 2.0.

The Civic will be launched soon. Final details on the power and specifications will be made known then. I look forward to how Honda has packaged the Civic for Malaysia.

[ramm omu cu warnu' Find all posts View Profile Close ramm]

1. sayan - ban pentru clona nr 3 si prostie fara limite
2. referitor la design: personal, imi place mai mult sedanul anterior.

[Vincent_77 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vincent_77]

eu zic ca masina trebuie privita in primul si primul rand in raport cu ce ofera concurenta (opel astra, renault megane, jetta samd....) la aceeasi bani.

daca faci o analiza obiectiva in felul asta s-ar putea sa descoperi masini mult mai "varza".....

eu imi aduc aminte ca in 2008 cand mi-am luat FD1-ul meu am dat pe el 15.500,00 euro, iar in acei bani de la concurenta as fi putut sa imi iau de exemplu MAXIMUM o astra sedan cu motor de 1.4 sau focus cu motor de 1.4 (toate inferioare), dar nu as fi avut nici o sansa sa ma incadrez de exemplu la un focus cu motor diesel de exemplu.

poate azi lucrurile or sta altfel un pic, dar am indoieli ca s-au schimbat la 180 de grade si ca acesta masina acum e la "ani lumina" in spatele concurentei.

[maruta Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maruta]

Nici eu nu cred ca este in spatele concurentei, dar nu poate fi numit un pas inaite. Poate un pas in lateral...c-asa-i hora pe la noi . Adica are mai multe dotari fata de precedentul dar au sfeclit-o putin la alte capitole la care ta-su' statea mai bine.

Punctele forte sunt: fiabilitatea (nu am auzit un i-VTEC sa crape vreodata) si (totusi) performantele motorului, dotarile de serie si comportamentul rutier. Asta cu comportamentul am luat-o de la altii pentru ca nu am apucat sa merg cu ea. Dar daca este aproape de generatia precedenta, pot sa bag mana-n foc ca sta bine.

La punctele minus ar fi inexistenta unei alternative la motorizare (poate va veni dieselul de 1.6) fie ea de mic sau mare litraj si calitatea asamblarii precum si a materialelor din interior.
Spre deosebire de generatia anterioara, unde nu am gasit nicio diferenta de calitate intre a mea (made in Japan) si a lui Delphi (made in Turkey), de data asta s-a intamplat ceva. Am vazut un exemplar (AT) care avea un defect de asamblare prea deranjant: era vorba de o bucata de bord din dreptul soferului care nu se pupa cu celelalte si parea desprinsa...vorbim aici de o masina noua, abia iesita de pe poarta fabricii cu 0 km la bord. (Asa ceva nu am mai vazut decat la Dacia 1300 unde, la achizitionare (noua), cand i s-a spus vanzatorului ca ii lipseste un buton de la clima, s-a dus imediat la alta masina, i-a luat butonul respectiv si l-a pus la cea de vanzare - asta se intampla in fata cumparatotului ).

Problema este ca unii au asteptari prea mari de la masina asta.

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Cred ca nu ai inteles ce te-am intrebat si incerci sa te justifici si sa ma duci cu vorba.

Ce insiri tu aici e echivalentul unei jigniri (si te asigur ca o accept barbateste) fiindca chiar nu sunt tipul care s-o ard pe ocolite. Sau dintr-o data vezi un mine un asemenea om?
Mie mi-a lasat impresia ca exact invers e situatia. Ai prins tarziu ce vreau sa spun si m-ai pus sa ma justific pana-n panzele albe dupa care imi mai si reprosezi ca te duc cu vorba.

Probabil ca te-ai simtit obligat sa spui asta, pentru ca Honda nu poate face decat pasi inainte.

Daca ai stii cate obligatii am la HONDA te-ai speria.....
Cand o sa intelegi si ce trebuie sa intelegi ai sa gasesti in posturile mele si critica la adresa HONDA, pana atunci.......


Am inteles ca de fapt era vorba de o chestie de estetica si de design.

Ma bucur ca intr-un tarziu s-a reusit si asta.

Fiecare om are gusturile lui.

Asa, asa si ce e greu de acceptat in asta?
Macar fa si tu in gura mea nu in gusturile mele ca de ele mai am nevoie.

Pe urma, am fost sigur ca nu ai mers cu civicul FD, pentru ca sa poti face o comparatie.

Iti promit ca o sa merg si in Civic FD cu proxima ocazie si o sa-ti relatez cu toata obiectivitatea firii mele cum a fost repsectiv cum e in comparatie cu noul Civic.
Dar dupa aia, o sa-mi dai voie sa-mi mentin parerea ca Civic FD va avea pe mai departe un design anost si plictisitor IN COMPARATE cu noul?




Mi s-a parut doar ciudat ca tu ai calificat masina ca pe un pas inainte, pana la urma, numai pe baza de aspect exterior. Este greaseala mea, scuze.

Scuzele ti-au fost acceptate.


Acum, admitand ca "imbunatatirea" designului este un pas inainte (multi au gasit-o urata), trebuie sa recunosti ca este un pas foarte mic,

Dar pe mine nu ma intereseaza cum o gasesc majoritatea oamenilor, sau trebuie neaparat sa ma aliniez la bine cunosctulul spirit de turma balcanic?
Si daca am sterge de prin off-topicul din utlimele doua pagini o sa vezi ceva parere de bine dar probabil ca citim numai ce ne place....
Si un pas mic inainte e tot un pas, pe scala mea, masina asta are un 8 pentru clasa care o reprezinta.

LE: ma uit la sedanul meu, care e parcat chiar sub geam, si o gasesc extrem de frumoasa.

Sa fi sanatos cu ea cu tot!

[Turkish Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Turkish]

@maruta

mda, daca adunam plusuri si minusuri
asa la prima vedere
fix pas lateral pare a fi